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bluegreen17) wrote2003-12-28 12:58 pm
bluegreen17) wrote2003-12-28 12:58 pm
war in different worlds
this entry is an email that i just wrote to my sisters rachel and sara.
it's behind the cut because there's a possible 'return of the king' spoiler and it's longass too.
about being disappointed in frodo. i'm not sure what you meant by that. it makes me sad that his life is ruined,pretty much. but i guess the point might be that many lives are cut short by things like war.most soldiers fight wars because they believe in something...unfortunately they really aren't fighting for what they think they are (i need to see if i can find a copy of 'selling private ryan' which is basically info about all the political stuff that was really behind ww2.) in fact,frodo is more like a vietnam vet in some ways. like having his life shattered. but like the vets of ww1 and 2 in the fact that he is HONORED,which the vietnam vets arent'. because we didn't 'win'. because it wasn't a 'war'. no one ever wins a war anyway,but i think you get my drift.
you know,in a way i don't know if i like elijah wood as frodo after all,but i guess i should reserve judgement 'til i see 'return'.
there's been something nagging me about the lord of the rings in general,though. and i think it' s the christian worldview. but i shall see how that plays out in the third movie for me. it's things like the black and white and no gray. orcs are totally bad. to me,orcs are just pawns. how can they be judged when they never had a choice? also,i guess i'm leaning towards zen and nonduality more these days,so that affects how i see it.
it actually makes me sad sometimes that michele and lise and their families are christians,and even worse,biblical christians. i think they've made the BIBLE their god. at least catholics seem to live more the spirit of christianity in some ways,i think. (more tolerant,in general,and can we say that jesus was tolerant? he didn't judge prostitutes or tax collectors,the lowest of the low at the time!)
i think the *****s are pretty tolerant towards their pagans relatives,and i wonder if that is because they love
us and are good people so it's almost in SPITE of being christians.
christianity does have its good points and if it helps people,i'm all for it. but the fact that certain christians think only they are 'saved' and will go to heaven seems to be the mark of a god i don't want to worship.
that's conditional love,sorry. and i think unconditional love is greater than that,and if someone's god can't be better than humans ,then i think there's somehing amiss about that.
i never thought about the g's and s's.ssssssesss,precioussss sssserpents...[my sister rachel's theory that all the g's are good and all the s's are bad...but what about gollum/smeagol? probably an unintentional thing,but interesting all the same.]
i'm ccing this to r.,our family acronym queen. rachel, i thought you might get a kick out of my intellectual ponderings as well.
on christmas melissa asked what our favorite books are,because she wants some recommendations. well,guess what?
my favorite books include siddhartha,illusions by richard bach,the lazy man's guide to enlightenment,and the alchemy of opposites,which is about nonduality. personally,i think nonduality is the most evolved spirituality there is,and i'm not quite ready to live it yet.
so i'm not going to recommend those,out of respect for michele and jeff's beliefs and raising their children with those beliefs. that's a parents perogative,and when the kids are adults,they can make their own choices to keep that faith or not.
i feel like i can't be as close to michele and lise and their families because of our differing beliefs. not because i can't accept theirs,but because they think they are right and anyone not believing in their particular brand of christianity isn't. oh,well. at least they still fraternize,or in our case,sororitize with us.
i think in the books,sam gets a sapling or a seed from the tree of gonder and plants it in the shire. or maybe it's from lothlorien,but i think it might be from the tree of gondor. gondor is the race of men that had elvish blood,i think,which is why aragorn is 67 at the time of these events and lives so long.
well,enough from me for now! thanks sara for your fun review! i haven't watched the faramir extra parts in two towers yet,though i have it on loan from dan,so i probably will this weekend. (in between watching the same episode of band of brothers which i'm obsessed with, once a day. there's a character -it's a true story for the most part,but i think they made most of this particular person's story up-
that i'm obsessed with. he's a terrified soldier,and this is the only episode he's in,and centers around him. someone online pointed out that she identified with him,and i realized that's probably why i am so hooked on this character too. at least mostly. the actor who plays him,marc warren, has amazing beautiful eyes. i think they're blue,but it's hard to tell with the coloring of the movie,if that makes any sense. why is it that you can tell eye color in some movies more than others? rachel? bueller? you're the cinema scholar,do you know why?
[i forgot to add in my email that i think this guy is an amazing actor...little facial expressions and other things that wordlessly say a lot.]
naturally, i looked the guy up. sadly for me,he's mostly on british tv and some movies that are only on region 2 dvds. i didn't realize that like vhs has pal and some other format,so do dvds. which i think sucks. it's all economics.
so,anyway,i'm really going to stop now.
oh,but one more thing (cue up theme from columbo)...
i'm going to get band of brothers but it's taking a while for my order to come in,which really pisses me off. i'll get over it,though. but you really should see this series,so i can loan you some of the dvds at a time (there are five with two episodes each,but a sixth disk of special features.) eventually i will probably stop watching episode 3 on a daily basis (like i used to do with fellowship...though i'd watch it daily in three or so installments,so it took two or three days for a complete re-viewing.) so i can loan you that one too.
time for food. that'll make me stop writing!
love yas,
di
it's behind the cut because there's a possible 'return of the king' spoiler and it's longass too.
about being disappointed in frodo. i'm not sure what you meant by that. it makes me sad that his life is ruined,pretty much. but i guess the point might be that many lives are cut short by things like war.most soldiers fight wars because they believe in something...unfortunately they really aren't fighting for what they think they are (i need to see if i can find a copy of 'selling private ryan' which is basically info about all the political stuff that was really behind ww2.) in fact,frodo is more like a vietnam vet in some ways. like having his life shattered. but like the vets of ww1 and 2 in the fact that he is HONORED,which the vietnam vets arent'. because we didn't 'win'. because it wasn't a 'war'. no one ever wins a war anyway,but i think you get my drift.
you know,in a way i don't know if i like elijah wood as frodo after all,but i guess i should reserve judgement 'til i see 'return'.
there's been something nagging me about the lord of the rings in general,though. and i think it' s the christian worldview. but i shall see how that plays out in the third movie for me. it's things like the black and white and no gray. orcs are totally bad. to me,orcs are just pawns. how can they be judged when they never had a choice? also,i guess i'm leaning towards zen and nonduality more these days,so that affects how i see it.
it actually makes me sad sometimes that michele and lise and their families are christians,and even worse,biblical christians. i think they've made the BIBLE their god. at least catholics seem to live more the spirit of christianity in some ways,i think. (more tolerant,in general,and can we say that jesus was tolerant? he didn't judge prostitutes or tax collectors,the lowest of the low at the time!)
i think the *****s are pretty tolerant towards their pagans relatives,and i wonder if that is because they love
us and are good people so it's almost in SPITE of being christians.
christianity does have its good points and if it helps people,i'm all for it. but the fact that certain christians think only they are 'saved' and will go to heaven seems to be the mark of a god i don't want to worship.
that's conditional love,sorry. and i think unconditional love is greater than that,and if someone's god can't be better than humans ,then i think there's somehing amiss about that.
i never thought about the g's and s's.ssssssesss,precioussss sssserpents...[my sister rachel's theory that all the g's are good and all the s's are bad...but what about gollum/smeagol? probably an unintentional thing,but interesting all the same.]
i'm ccing this to r.,our family acronym queen. rachel, i thought you might get a kick out of my intellectual ponderings as well.
on christmas melissa asked what our favorite books are,because she wants some recommendations. well,guess what?
my favorite books include siddhartha,illusions by richard bach,the lazy man's guide to enlightenment,and the alchemy of opposites,which is about nonduality. personally,i think nonduality is the most evolved spirituality there is,and i'm not quite ready to live it yet.
so i'm not going to recommend those,out of respect for michele and jeff's beliefs and raising their children with those beliefs. that's a parents perogative,and when the kids are adults,they can make their own choices to keep that faith or not.
i feel like i can't be as close to michele and lise and their families because of our differing beliefs. not because i can't accept theirs,but because they think they are right and anyone not believing in their particular brand of christianity isn't. oh,well. at least they still fraternize,or in our case,sororitize with us.
i think in the books,sam gets a sapling or a seed from the tree of gonder and plants it in the shire. or maybe it's from lothlorien,but i think it might be from the tree of gondor. gondor is the race of men that had elvish blood,i think,which is why aragorn is 67 at the time of these events and lives so long.
well,enough from me for now! thanks sara for your fun review! i haven't watched the faramir extra parts in two towers yet,though i have it on loan from dan,so i probably will this weekend. (in between watching the same episode of band of brothers which i'm obsessed with, once a day. there's a character -it's a true story for the most part,but i think they made most of this particular person's story up-
that i'm obsessed with. he's a terrified soldier,and this is the only episode he's in,and centers around him. someone online pointed out that she identified with him,and i realized that's probably why i am so hooked on this character too. at least mostly. the actor who plays him,marc warren, has amazing beautiful eyes. i think they're blue,but it's hard to tell with the coloring of the movie,if that makes any sense. why is it that you can tell eye color in some movies more than others? rachel? bueller? you're the cinema scholar,do you know why?
[i forgot to add in my email that i think this guy is an amazing actor...little facial expressions and other things that wordlessly say a lot.]
naturally, i looked the guy up. sadly for me,he's mostly on british tv and some movies that are only on region 2 dvds. i didn't realize that like vhs has pal and some other format,so do dvds. which i think sucks. it's all economics.
so,anyway,i'm really going to stop now.
oh,but one more thing (cue up theme from columbo)...
i'm going to get band of brothers but it's taking a while for my order to come in,which really pisses me off. i'll get over it,though. but you really should see this series,so i can loan you some of the dvds at a time (there are five with two episodes each,but a sixth disk of special features.) eventually i will probably stop watching episode 3 on a daily basis (like i used to do with fellowship...though i'd watch it daily in three or so installments,so it took two or three days for a complete re-viewing.) so i can loan you that one too.
time for food. that'll make me stop writing!
love yas,
di
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